Record number of visitors at Flt 93 memorial.

[Wiener]

Flt 93 story


Now do you think this could be cause they are getting ready to start the new memorial park, and you won't get the same feeling from all the stuff left by people?

[GoneFishing80]

Flt 93 story


Now do you think this could be cause they are getting ready to start the new memorial park, and you won't get the same feeling from all the stuff left by people?

Hey Wiener, just to let you know you linked the wrong story, here's the corrected link:

Flt 93 story

Good question. It is nice to see that people haven't forgotten about it and are still stopping and remembering.

[whatfreedom]

are the local cows going to make guest appearances? oooooh ooooooh how about the Dairy Princess too?

it's just a field for crying out loud. how many settlers were whacked by Natives in the same place and why no memorial for them or vice versa?

[GoneFishing80]

are the local cows going to make guest appearances? oooooh ooooooh how about the Dairy Princess too?

it's just a field for crying out loud. how many settlers were whacked by Natives in the same place and why no memorial for them or vice versa?

To you it's just a field, to others it isn't. It's essentially a burial ground for those who lost their lives there. There probably are if you look into the history memorials to those settlers who lost their lives at the hands of Native Americans. If they were settled in the area, they were probably buried in a family type cemetery plot or if they were settlers moving onward, they were probably memorialized with a burial on site of where they died. But, since memorials back in that time were essentially marked by a grave with a simple stone or wooden cross, through the years most have disappeared with time.

[Wiener]

are the local cows going to make guest appearances? oooooh ooooooh how about the Dairy Princess too?

it's just a field for crying out loud. how many settlers were whacked by Natives in the same place and why no memorial for them or vice versa?

You prove with your comments that you have never yourself been to the site of the Flt 93 Crash and memorial.  There are no cows there, not before the crash and certainly not after.   You poke fun at our Dairy Princesses, grow up.

If you had half a brain you would realize that the crash site is not far from the old town of Boone.  Daniel and his brothers stayed there with some settlers.   Do you realize that when they are done with this new memorial the ground that the plane smashed into will be under concrete, how respectful is that?  Not very is this neck of the woods. 

If you ever get the chance to go see it before they plaster it all under now is the time.  I have been there every year since the crash.  Helped make food for the people cleaning up the mess in the days that followed.      For those of us that were here when it happened, we don't need a huge park to walk through.  Standing to the side of their graves and paying respect is what it is all about.  Not a pretty park to walk through and sit in. 

[WDVE]

Wiener, I think you're wasting your time. That one comment says alot about a person and the cavalier approach some people have regarding 9/11.
That place is, and will always be sacred ground, just like the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Whether covered in concrete or not.

Just the fact the poster is able to write that nonesense is reason enough to be called...plentyoffreedom .

I'm not sure what goes through a persons mind to pen such childish drivel. But, I guarantee that individual was no where near the three sights after the horrific events like some of us.

Thanks for your help at the Shanksville sight.

[WDVE]

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?

  Did you know his trial is over?
  Did you know he was sentenced?
  Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio?

  Didn't think so.!!!

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

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   Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.  His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.'

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.   

Judge Young:   'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.  On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively.  (That's 80 years.)

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed.  The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine of=2 0$2 million.  The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes.  It is a fair and just sentence.  It is a righteous sentence.

Now, let me explain this to you.  We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid.  We are Americans.  We have been through the fire before.  There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.  Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.  As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant.  You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war.  You are a terrorist.  To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist.  And we do not negotiate with terrorists.  We do not meet with terrorists.  We do not sign documents with terrorists. & nbsp;We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court.  You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.  You're no warrior.  I've known warriors. You are a terrorist.  A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders.  In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no big deal.'

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.  What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing?  And, I have an answer for you.  It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate o ur freedom.  Our individual freedom.  Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose.  Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom.  It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea.  It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.  It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom.  Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.  Make no mistake though.  It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.  Look around this courtroom.  Mark it well.  The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.  The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.  The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens wi ll gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid?  That's the flag of the United States of America .  That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom.  And it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer.  Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?  We need more judges like Judge Young.  Pass this around.  Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.