No Civilian Trial For 911 Mastermind- another Obama " Opps"

[Aimeey7]

This has to go down as a " WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!" when they decided to try to have a civ trial.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/04/AR2010030405209.html?hpid=topnews



Now, if we can just get a reversal on the pledge to close Gitmo.

[Wifey]

All together scary if when you think about these are the key people tasked with keeping the nation safe.

 1) they don't see terrorist as enemy combatants they see them as common criminals. When was the last time individuals who were captured on a battlefield were brought into the US court system? Hey and even better why don't we put the lawyers who defend these terrorist in the US attorney's office?  They see Veterans and other groups as more of a threat.

2) They spend more time apologizing to world for what they perceive "wrong with America". Look at how they have kissed Iran's rear to play nice.  Obama has still to realize that its not the US but Iran that he needs to find fault with.

3) He wants to repeal DADT without even a concern to how they will affect the readiness of the military. Its all about keeping his supporters happy. Wonder how he's going to replace the large amounts of people who said they would leave (which was the about the size of the Marine Corps) and its not spelled corpse.

Sorry but Zero not having a clue about National Security shouldn't surprise anyone.

[WDVE]

"Sorry but Zero not having a clue about National Security shouldn't surprise anyone".

I can't understand how the Whatfreedom's of this country are this blind not to see and understand this.

[yoyo]

All together scary if when you think about these are the key people tasked with keeping the nation safe.

 1) they don't see terrorist as enemy combatants they see them as common criminals. When was the last time individuals who were captured on a battlefield were brought into the US court system? Hey and even better why don't we put the lawyers who defend these terrorist in the US attorney's office?  They see Veterans and other groups as more of a threat.

So the trial in the linked article is for Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was captured in Pakistan, not on the battlefields of Afghanistan.  To answer question, Ramzi Yousef along with his two coconspirators, the terrorists who tried to bring down the towers in 1993, were the last terrorist tried in a US District court in New York.  In a little under two years from his capture he was sentenced to life in prison without parole.  As far as I know he has not escaped yet.  Maybe we have done  such a good job at putting these guys away that we forget about it.

[beeker]

So the trial in the linked article is for Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was captured in Pakistan, not on the battlefields of Afghanistan.  To answer question, Ramzi Yousef along with his two coconspirators, the terrorists who tried to bring down the towers in 1993, were the last terrorist tried in a US District court in New York.  In a little under two years from his capture he was sentenced to life in prison without parole.  As far as I know he has not escaped yet.  Maybe we have done  such a good job at putting these guys away that we forget about it.

It's interesting that 9/11 planner Khalid Sheik Mohammed is an uncle of the 1993 WTC attack planner Ramzi Yousef. 

[Wiener]

It's interesting that 9/11 planner Khalid Sheik Mohammed is an uncle of the 1993 WTC attack planner Ramzi Yousef. 

It should not surprise you that these folks are all going to be related.  They are after all the decendants of Esau and we all know where they end up on the spectrum of things in this world.  To bad they don't.

[Wifey]

So the trial in the linked article is for Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was captured in Pakistan, not on the battlefields of Afghanistan.  To answer question, Ramzi Yousef along with his two coconspirators, the terrorists who tried to bring down the towers in 1993, were the last terrorist tried in a US District court in New York.  In a little under two years from his capture he was sentenced to life in prison without parole.  As far as I know he has not escaped yet.  Maybe we have done  such a good job at putting these guys away that we forget about it.

The question here is what is the difference between "enemy combatant" and "terrorist".  Yousef - terrorist , Mohammed - enemy combatant.

Yousef 1) lived, planned and committed the crime in NYC .  He fled the US and left his computer behind - which was how they tracked him down.  and 2) I don't believe we were fighting AQ.  (Well, we were but no one knew it yet), 3) Yousef was not the military operations chief for AQI.  Mohammed admits 31 acts of terrorism all over the world BEFORE 9/11. 4) There was no military tribunial system to try them in back then. That was a product the Bush Administration.



Mohammad is much more then a terrorist -  he should have never left the military tribunal system.  

[pbal]

I thought they were descendants of Ishmail.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtOALW_VyI

[yoyo]

The question here is what is the difference between "enemy combatant" and "terrorist".  Yousef - terrorist , Mohammed - enemy combatant.

Yousef 1) lived, planned and committed the crime in NYC .  He fled the US and left his computer behind - which was how they tracked him down.  and 2) I don't believe we were fighting AQ.  (Well, we were but no one knew it yet), 3) Yousef was not the military operations chief for AQI.  Mohammed admits 31 acts of terrorism all over the world BEFORE 9/11. 4) There was no military tribunial system to try them in back then. That was a product the Bush Administration.



Mohammad is much more then a terrorist -  he should have never left the military tribunal system.  

3 prisoners of gitmo have been tried under these military tribunals, one was sentenced to effectively 9 months, the other two had their charges dismissed.

Why do you think this is the obvious choice to try these guys?

[Wifey]

3 prisoners of gitmo have been tried under these military tribunals, one was sentenced to effectively 9 months, the other two had their charges dismissed.

Why do you think this is the obvious choice to try these guys?

classified information remains classified and will not show up in the NY times.  plus the identity of those involved can be safeguarded to prevent harrassment from terrorist.

[Aimeey7]

3 prisoners of gitmo have been tried under these military tribunals, one was sentenced to effectively 9 months, the other two had their charges dismissed.

Why do you think this is the obvious choice to try these guys?

You can't make such a judgment simply based on where they were tried, you'd have to get into the details of each case.
 
Besides the tribunal itself, Gitmo has no security concerns, no opportunity for protests, a "big show" etc.

[Wiener]

I thought they were descendants of Ishmail.

Ishmael is in there and he has his descendants they live by the sword and they shall die by it.  Look at it as the division inside the Muslim faith, inthere lies the differences between Esau and Ishmael's legacy.
  I love the fact that God pits them against each other, only to unite them against all whom fail to follow the ways of Allah and Mohammad.   

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If the Christians thought that way, the world could almost be united against them, but that would be a whole nother book.

[Daffy Duck]

Northern Muslims trace their descendency from Ishmael, the son of Hagar, Abraham's wife's "handmaiden". Ishmael's "step-brother" was Isaac, who had a son named Esau. However, Esau married his "step-uncle" Ishmael's daughter, hence his "cousin".

[GONAVY]

I thought they were descendants of Ishmail.

You mean this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ej_PwrjZCs&feature=related