"There Will be BLOOD"

[whatfreedom]

showing tonight on FX tv for cable afecionados

the first 1.5 hours show the EASY method of getting OIL from the Homeland. TODAY, imagine if you can it is nearly 100 times more difficult and that number increase day by day as we are witnessing in the Gulf

drive that 4x4 Pick-up getting 13mpg, get a real Hummer like our military folks, blast the a/c to a comfy 68 in the summer and BE a Patriot and demand 'Drill Baby, Drill' so the oil can come from the US/Canada rather than those extremist Muslims and Hugo down in S. America

[WDVE]

...............and what do you drive hypocrite...please do tell.

Guess you're bored tonight preacher.

[Wiener]

Look now I have to knock you off your stoned horse once again.
BP had the permission of the state of LA to drill for that same pocket of oil in 500 ft of water.  Something that would be easily controlable if heaven forbid something when wrong.
The current Admin over rode state rights and told BP they could drill int 5,000 ft of water, not 500.
The current Admin knowing admits it knew about the cozy relationship between big oil and the MMA.
The current Admin knew no one had ever drilled this deep before and it may cause some problems.
The current Admin is as much at fault for this disaster, as BP is in their push to make money.
Considering that we all know the Admin is responsible for our safety and the safety of this nation which does include our enviroment.
We all also know a big company will do what it takes to make money, and yes at times that means they throw safety to the wind.

If the Federal Government would have kept their long nose out of the States rights, this may have never have happened or at least if it had it would have been shallow enough that they knew how to stop it.

[oldster]

Your post raises some interesting questions, Wiener. Perhaps you can provide sources for some of your information.  I can't seem to verify it, but perhaps I;m not searching with the correct parameters.

First question: How could the Federal Government overturn a drilling permit from any state and force the driller to move to water 4,500 feet deeper?  

Second, why would the Federal Government wish to force a driller from shallow water to deep water?

Third, what part of the Tiber oil field (in which this disaster occurred) is located under only 500' of water?  I can't find a map that indicates that.

Fourth, and only tangentially related to your post, is the Federal Government supposed to keep us safe from everything, like cancer and heart disease, or just from coastal damage from an oil spill and terrorists? Is air pollution caused by coal powered power plants and internal combustion engines part of the environment that they are supposed to protect?  I mean, we breathe that air and it seems to me that the oil spill has very little chance of leaping from the water and attacking any Americans.

Drill, baby, drill. Oh wait, the permission to drill offshore came from the same administration that is vilified for not permitting offshore drilling?  H'mmmmmmm.

[yoyo]

How much of this stuff did you make up?

Look now I have to knock you off your stoned horse once again.
BP had the permission of the state of LA to drill for that same pocket of oil in 500 ft of water.  Something that would be easily controlable if heaven forbid something when wrong.
The current Admin over rode state rights and told BP they could drill int 5,000 ft of water, not 500.  Leases in the gulf are approximatly 3 x 3 miles, the deepwater horz being 50 miles offshore there could be 15 more leases between that and the coast.The current Admin knowing admits it knew about the cozy relationship between big oil and the MMA.
The current Admin knew no one had ever drilled this deep before and it may cause some problems.  Nearly 4,000 wells have been drilled in gulf water depth in excess of 1,000 feet and 700 wells in all federal water 5,000 feet or greater;,  The world's deepest oil platform is the floating Independence Hub which is a semi-submersible platform in the Gulf of Mexico in a water depth of 2,414 metres (7,920 ft).  This well was at 5000ftThe current Admin is as much at fault for this disaster, as BP is in their push to make money.
Considering that we all know the Admin is responsible for our safety and the safety of this nation which does include our enviroment.
We all also know a big company will do what it takes to make money, and yes at times that means they throw safety to the wind.

If the Federal Government would have kept their long nose out of the States rights, this may have never have happened or at least if it had it would have been shallow enough that they knew how to stop it.

[Wiener]

They passed a Bill not sure of the # soon after Obama took office that restricted the off shore drilling to further.  It may have been in the same bill that restricted no drilling in Alaska.  Not exactly sure but I do remember then passing this bill, and prez boy signing it.

The Federal Government has been taking the states right since the passing of the 17th Amendment, which took the right of the state congress to elect it Senate leaders, and made it a publlic vote so the state didn't have a protector of it's rights in congress.  There was a reason, a really good reason why the founders set it up so.  You have to wonder why Wilson had to change it.

[Wiener]

Third, what part of the Tiber oil field (in which this disaster occurred) is located under only 500' of water?  I can't find a map that indicates that.

I could be very wrong on this but they don't even know how big the field is exactly so one never knows.  Again I may be wrong but I am thinking I am not.

[oldster]

I find no evidence that the Tiber oilfield goes any where near shallow water.  Of course, I'm not an expert.

Could the law that you are speaking of be the moritorium that lapsed a couple of years back that ALLOWED, not mandated, drilling in deeper waters?  That is quite different from your inference that the Obama administration forced them to drill in deeper water and ignored all possible danger signs.  VERY different.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/08/Congressional-Moratorium-on-Offshore-Drilling-in-the-Outer-Continental-Shelf-Should-Be-Allowed-to-Expire

[Wiener]

I said I maybe wrong, but I dont' think so, just my personnal opinion and it may not amount to a pile of beans.

I will have to go and read through all those bills to find it and it may have been an EO so it will take some time but I will find it.

[Alfred E. Neuman]

I it will take some time but I will find it.

crank it up........

[whatfreedom]

well folks I hope this writer is only being an alarmist but if even remotely possible we have a problem...not anywhere close to the famous 'Houston WE have a problem' problem. IT COULD BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE MANKIND HAS EVER FACED and will ever face other than the apocalypse presented in the Bible 

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Gulf-News-From-Bad-to-Wor-by-Rob-Kall-100617-695.html

[Alfred E. Neuman]

....they should have bombed it a long time ago.......

[whatfreedom]

....they should have bombed it a long time ago.......

but if we use em we won't be able eradicate every mountain in Iran where they are building their hidden weapons complex 

[yoyo]

I find no evidence that the Tiber oilfield goes any where near shallow water.  Of course, I'm not an expert.

Could the law that you are speaking of be the moritorium that lapsed a couple of years back that ALLOWED, not mandated, drilling in deeper waters?  That is quite different from your inference that the Obama administration forced them to drill in deeper water and ignored all possible danger signs.  VERY different.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/08/Congressional-Moratorium-on-Offshore-Drilling-in-the-Outer-Continental-Shelf-Should-Be-Allowed-to-Expire

From Wiki "...March 2008 - The mineral rights to drill for oil were purchased by BP at the MMS's Lease Sale #206, held at the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans.."  

The sales summary http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2008/press0319.htm

BP had intension to drill at this site before BO was elected, to say he made them go out there seems a little inaccurate.

[oldster]

*gasp*