Isn't It Funny How the Lefties Suddenly Become Religious Freedom Zealots

[Aimeey7]

once someoen wants to build a mosque near ground zero, or, say, include muslim holidays in the school calendar, or don't allow such things as hadithas in driver's license photos or certain places of employment..............
yep, this seems like the same crowd that is bent on stamping out Christmas, nativity displays on public property, public prayer, etc.



just an observation, feel free to add your snide remarks, or ignore, as you see fit.

[yoyo]

...Yep, this seems like the same crowd that is bent on stamping out Christmas, nativity displays on public property, public prayer, etc....

Opposing religious imagery on PUBLIC property and supporting religious freedom on PRIVATE property is a very consistent philosophy.  The opposite, wanting a nativity on the steps of the courthouse, but telling a private land owner that he cannot put a mosque on his own land is the philosophy that is inconsistent.

And while you have continued to labeled it a liberal point of view, some people (me) label it a libertarian point of view.

this I believe

[Wiener]

they have  the right to build it in the building they want to.

It just seems funny to me that American's are gonna get a center of tolerance shoved down their throats.  Does not do a whole lot to bridge the gap there the way it looks from here.

[Aimeey7]

Opposing religious imagery on PUBLIC property and supporting religious freedom on PRIVATE property is a very consistent philosophy.  The opposite, wanting a nativity on the steps of the courthouse, but telling a private land owner that he cannot put a mosque on his own land is the philosophy that is inconsistent.

And while you have continued to labeled it a liberal point of view, some people (me) label it a libertarian point of view.

this I believe

and you, like so many of the new religious rights zealots, seem to miss the point of the opposition to the mosque-

most of us, myself certainly included, do not question the LEGAL RIGHT to build the mosque wherever it fits within customary zoning regulations- which would seem to be the case with the ground zero proposal. As the great Obama says, it is the wisdom, in the interest of tolerance and sensitivity, that we question.

I have yet to hear one argument that they should be prevented by LAW from building it, again, with the exception to the opposition on zoning issues, which is used by NIMBY's all the time for just about anything- just try and build a Walmart any place, USA and you'll see that. ( BTW, I do not agree with opposing it on zoning grounds, I think it passes muster on that point)
( which is moot anyway, I believe it has already jumped those hurdles)

[redcap]

This is about the same as the guy who raped your daughter building a house next door. It may be legal, but it is certainly not a good idea, and it just might cause some additional trouble.

[Aimeey7]

This is about the same as the guy who raped your daughter building a house next door. It may be legal, but it is certainly not a good idea, and it just might cause some additional trouble.

welll................... ..maybe more like the family of the rapist rather than the rapist himself, but your point is well taken................... ...

and, arguably, a supportive family ( of the rapist) at that................ or at least a family that hasn't gone out of their way to disassociate themselves from the rapist and his act.................

[redcap]

More like the family or friends that watched and cheered him on.

[redcap]

I knw. I know. I am showing my predjudice.

I'll change my opinion when I see the folks condeming what happened.

[Aimeey7]

I get that, especially when the best we seem to be able to get out of "moderate" muslims is something like " we don't agree with their(terrorists) actions, but we understand their motivations" ( as if we somehow are deserving of terror attacks, or at least brought it on ourselves)

[yoyo]

and you, like so many of the new religious rights zealots, seem to miss the point of the opposition to the mosque-

most of us, myself certainly included, do not question the LEGAL RIGHT to build the mosque wherever it fits within customary zoning regulations- which would seem to be the case with the ground zero proposal. As the great Obama says, it is the wisdom, in the interest of tolerance and sensitivity, that we question.

I have yet to hear one argument that they should be prevented by LAW from building it, again, with the exception to the opposition on zoning issues, which is used by NIMBY's all the time for just about anything- just try and build a Walmart any place, USA and you'll see that. ( BTW, I do not agree with opposing it on zoning grounds, I think it passes muster on that point)
( which is moot anyway, I believe it has already jumped those hurdles)

If your original point(in this thread) was that it it is insensitive to build the mosque so close to ground zero my response would have missed the point.  But it wasn't.

[redcap]

Seems to me all of the examples in the original post, excapt the mosque, dealt with relious item in the government realm.

[Aimeey7]

If your original point(in this thread) was that it it is insensitive to build the mosque so close to ground zero my response would have missed the point.  But it wasn't.

but you seem to not get that the opposition isn't saying they don't have the legal right to build it , and that this is not an issue of religious freedom vis a vis government, separation church/state, etc.
but, you're right, my central point of this thread is...... gee whiz, suddenly we have a whole lot of people who are fervently screaming about religious freedom, who never showed such an interest before when other religions were involved.

Piss on christ? Yeah! Great art!
Draw a cartoon of muhammed? DEATH TO YOU!

[Nina]

It's not a good idea and a poorly thought out on at best...it take a city that was once so united and rips it in half!

However we can't stop them building there just on the grounds of their religion. That's whole point flat out!

People have asked for them to build somewhere else ...they said no ...there is nothing anyone can do about it!

As for the Christmas stuff ...people are being denied because they want it on public places ...we'll if they wanted a picture of Mohammad up on the wall in a court house I would be against that.

If a mosque had an issue with a church wanting to build next door ...I would say the same thing ...they can build where they please!

I will agree with you that it's funny that so many people on the left are taking such a huge stance on religion.

I would feel this way from Jehovah Witness,to Jewish,Baptist, to Wicca, those people who worship triangles, and everything in between!  What's good for one is good for the other!

[Aimeey7]

Nina, again, I don't think anyone who believes in our country and way of life for one minute thinks we should stop the mosque via law.
But, the hope is , it is stopped by other means, primarily:

1. The ones behind it at last come to some sense of compassion and realization, since they say they are all for peace and the furtherance of people getting along, toleration and all that-- well here is a great way to show that---- find another site a little further away. Many have even pledged to help them with that effort, including land swaps and financial assistance. Think how much good will this would engender.

2. No one ( or at least not enough) of the various entities needed to build it--i.e, construction workers, architects,  just about all the multitude of folks who are needed to bring such a project to fruition-- simply won't do it.  They withhold their labor and services. This may be aided by boycotts of entities that do sign on. Hey, its good for the goose, why not the gander? ( such as the AZ boycott)

[oldster]

Good points Aimeey.  But different from your original point, isn't it?