THis Place Is Dead- Hey remember the Cross on the federal land- cemetary....?

[Aimeey7]

I guess I missed this--- some time ago there was intense debate here ( well, maybe 2 or 3 of us anyway) about whether or not a cross should be allowed on federal land overlooking a Vet's cemetary...
I was in the doc's office today-- you know how they make you read OLD MAGAZINES............... ....?   I was reading this great rag I never saw before, boy you libs woulld hate it,, called Town & Country , it makes Glen Beck look downright moderate-- ( maybe I'll have to subscribe) but anyway what I missed was I guess the Supreme Court ruled on the case--- and the Cross won!!!!!!!!

[Jehovahsman]

The cross is merely a symbol that was used long before Jesus Christ. The romans and egyptians , more roman than egyptian, practiced mithraism and worshipped the sun god. Rpmans and egyptians both used a cross as a symbol of the sun god. Early christians used a fish as a symbol. roman christians easily mixed christianity and mithraism. So they adopted the cross as well as making other pagan holidays that worshipped the sun god be adopted into christianity. Like xmas and easter. Both are celebrated at feasts of the roman sun god. Early christians were easily recognizedby their refusal to worship a cross and bow down to the pagan sun god. So they incorporated pagan symbolism into the roman brand of christianity. Roman christians used to put crosses on their forehead to ward off suspicion they were a christian That angered christian persecutors because if they had a cross on their forehead, that meant that they were mithrist.  Soon, you couldn't tell a mithrist from a christian. they were one and the same. they believed mithra was Jesus.
As far as the court ruling in favor of the cross, well, thats what courts do in a republic[rule by law], they balance the voice of the majority and the minority, and effect society with a rule of law. the majority doesn't always win, as the courts will use law to protect the minority. In a democracy, the minority suffer under the rule of the majority. unless they have access to legal redress.which is the republic rule of law, not men or a majority.As is the case in a democracy. thats what seperates republicans and democrats. Who rules, courts or the majority. Courts, thank God, are supposed to be the means of well thought out justice. Personally, i think symbolism is over-rated and useless. Symbols have no real power. they are useless idols. Trinkets. A cross at a cemetary means nothing.

[yoyo]

Visit Arlington National Cemetery, lots of crosses on federal land, a few crescent and stars too.

[redcap]

So, jehovahsman, as I understand what you are saying if I flip you the bird it has no meaning.

Well, just so you know, if I flip you that symbol it definitely has meaning.

[redcap]

AND the crosses on the graves of the American fighting men who gave their lives definitely have meaning which is not overrated though I suspect under appreciated by you.

[beefman]

I guess I missed this--- some time ago there was intense debate here ( well, maybe 2 or 3 of us anyway) about whether or not a cross should be allowed on federal land overlooking a Vet's cemetary...
I was in the doc's office today-- you know how they make you read OLD MAGAZINES............... ....?   I was reading this great rag I never saw before, boy you libs woulld hate it,, called Town & Country , it makes Glen Beck look downright moderate-- ( maybe I'll have to subscribe) but anyway what I missed was I guess the Supreme Court ruled on the case--- and the Cross won!!!!!!!!

Id like to meet the person who "made" you read the old rags. Now i guess if your doctor isn't pro life or pro right wing they are forcing you into some "anti Jesus" life style. Wake up, not everybody is going to think like you. I can tell you that anybody that protest a cross or any other religious symbol they are not truly non religious. I don't believe what the current mainstream believes and i have no problem with a cross or the ten commandments being displayed in a public place because they have no meaning to me. The sooner you realise that religion is being used to devide rather than to unite you will understand that every government entity need an enemy. Nazi's, north Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and the list goes on. All along we as a people keep loosing power to the richest few among us who are very good at convincing some that they are fighting for what they believe in. I don't expect you to agree with me but i would at least hope you would look beyond your core beliefs and see things for what they really are.

[yoyo]

Also a little history for you, the reason the case gained attention was that an attempt to erect Buddhist Shrine was denied.  Now if there is one group you cannot trust, its the Buddhists.

[Aimeey7]

Id like to meet the person who "made" you read the old rags. Now i guess if your doctor isn't pro life or pro right wing they are forcing you into some "anti Jesus" life style. Wake up, not everybody is going to think like you. I can tell you that anybody that protest a cross or any other religious symbol they are not truly non religious. I don't believe what the current mainstream believes and i have no problem with a cross or the ten commandments being displayed in a public place because they have no meaning to me. The sooner you realise that religion is being used to devide rather than to unite you will understand that every government entity need an enemy. Nazi's, north Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and the list goes on. All along we as a people keep loosing power to the richest few among us who are very good at convincing some that they are fighting for what they believe in. I don't expect you to agree with me but i would at least hope you would look beyond your core beliefs and see things for what they really are.

That part was a joke. ( about being "made" to read old magazines)


" don't go to a doctor. I knew a guy that knew a guy that once went to a doctor-------and...............GASP!!! they made him read old magazines there"

I have a low threshold of humor sometimes.

[Aimeey7]

Also a little history for you, the reason the case gained attention was that an attempt to erect Buddhist Shrine was denied.  Now if there is one group you cannot trust, its the Buddhists.

uhhhh, gee, thanks.
what would I do without you?

that speaks to the gist of the ruling, ie., the court held that the cross was not strictly a religious symbol, sort of like CHristmas, it has transcended to the secular, probably not the case with a buddhist shrine.

[yoyo]

uhhhh, gee, thanks.
what would I do without you?

that speaks to the gist of the ruling, ie., the court held that the cross was not strictly a religious symbol, sort of like CHristmas, it has transcended to the secular, probably not the case with a buddhist shrine.

If the cross was not viewed as a religious symbol there would not be a fight to keep it, or to get rid of it.  Or are you and the supreme court just agreeing with Jehovahsman?

[Jehovahsman]

So, jehovahsman, as I understand what you are saying if I flip you the bird it has no meaning.

Well, just so you know, if I flip you that symbol it definitely has meaning.

yeah,and blah blah blah right back at ya.

[redcap]

So, you are agreeing that symbols do have meaning.

[Jehovahsman]

Id like to meet the person who "made" you read the old rags. Now i guess if your doctor isn't pro life or pro right wing they are forcing you into some "anti Jesus" life style. Wake up, not everybody is going to think like you. I can tell you that anybody that protest a cross or any other religious symbol they are not truly non religious. I don't believe what the current mainstream believes and i have no problem with a cross or the ten commandments being displayed in a public place because they have no meaning to me. The sooner you realise that religion is being used to devide rather than to unite you will understand that every government entity need an enemy. Nazi's, north Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and the list goes on. All along we as a people keep loosing power to the richest few among us who are very good at convincing some that they are fighting for what they believe in. I don't expect you to agree with me but i would at least hope you would look beyond your core beliefs and see things for what they really are.

I'd buy that. sounds like truth to me.

[Jehovahsman]

So, you are agreeing that symbols do have meaning.

Symbols and charms havemeaning to those who think they have meaning. I'd piss on a cross, and crap on a  swastika. Symbols have always been used like charms. Charms may have meaning to some, but a cross doesn't protect me in life, nor would a charm ward off bad luck. symbols signify, charms do the same thing. A cross has meaning to some, to me it is merely a pagan symbol that has been adopted by christians. If Jesus had been shot to death by firing squad, i suppose the christian symbol would be a gun.why should i care?

[Aimeey7]

If the cross was not viewed as a religious symbol there would not be a fight to keep it, or to get rid of it.  Or are you and the supreme court just agreeing with Jehovahsman?

Hey, I'm just relating what the court said.................... ......

But, imho, things-- symbols-- can have meaning not based on religion.