For the "return of Jesus" people

[Wiener]

Wiener, i know that Jesus knows his sheep. YOU SAY that Jesus will come for his own BEFORE satan is cast out of heaven to the earth. BUT JESUS NEVER EVER SAID THAT. Jesus said that two will be together, and one taken, and one NOT taken. JESUS NEVER INDICATED OR HINTED THAT HE WILL TAKE HIS SHEEP BEFORE THE EVIL ONE COMES.
When Jesus taught us to pray the Our Father, one of the lines is "deliver us from the evil one".

I did not say that "YOU SAY that Jesus will come for his own BEFORE satan is cast out of heaven to the earth."  Satan was cast out of Heaven a very long time ago and given reign here on this planet to do as he pleases. To tempt you into his world instead of the Word.

Jesus said he will take his ripe fruit of the vine before the trial and tribulations of the end days, you don't know your Bible very well do you.

"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another;everyone of them will be thrown down" "Teacher, " they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?"  He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived.  For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I  am he,' and 'the time is near.'  Do not follow them.  when you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened.  These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."  Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.  There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.  but before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you.  They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.  This will result in your being witnesses to them.  but make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves.  For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resit or contradict.  You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives, ad friends, and they will put some of you to death.  All men will hate you because of me.  But not a hair on your head will perish.  By standing firm you will gain life.  When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the county not ever the city.  For, this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.   How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!  There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.  They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.  Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.  On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity and the roaring and tossing of the sea.   Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.   When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
Luke 21:6-28

The redemption of which He speaks is what some call the rapture, which is the shortening of the faithfuls time prior to the destruction of our world as we know it.

[Jehovahsman]

Revelations tells me that satan is still in heaven. The rapture that you refer to was addressed by Jesus when he said "two women will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken, and one will be left. Two men will be in one bed, one will be taken and one left."
And jesus addressed this to the Jews. He said the gentiles [non semitic people] will trample Jerusalem underfoot until the time of the gentiles is complete. He is addressing tribulation here, NOT RAPTURE.

[redcap]

I believe all those who are so sure they know what is going to happen are going to find how little they really knew should the end come in our days.

[Jehovahsman]

AMEN!

[Wiener]

AMEN!

He was talking to you...... .   

[Wiener]

Revelations tells me that satan is still in heaven. The rapture that you refer to was addressed by Jesus when he said "two women will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken, and one will be left. Two men will be in one bed, one will be taken and one left."
And jesus addressed this to the Jews. He said the gentiles [non semitic people] will trample Jerusalem underfoot until the time of the gentiles is complete. He is addressing tribulation here, NOT RAPTURE.

Again I ask you if Satan is still in heaven then he has yet to have been cast out which means his minions are there with him so where did your Giants of Enoch come from?    You twist and turn things you don't fully understand, the last thing you want to be doing is twisting the Word.  Hence why I have called you a false prophet you will lead more astray from the Father than you will ever bring to.

[redcap]

He was talking to you...... .   

He is too egotistic to believe that. But, it is true.

[redcap]

Jm, you flatter yourself. You have proven to any thinker here that you will pick and spin anything to justify your biased and erroneous views.

The only thing you have proven to me is that base on your posts, I can not take any view you express as being valid.

[Wiener]

Red in the Book of Enoch the ones that came to earth and made the giants all had their bastard children destroyed and they were all bound and cast into the earth so they could not see the light.   He does pick and choose, but then we already knew that.

[Jehovahsman]

The giants were destroyed in the flood. The angels who went into daughters of men are different from the ones who are going to be cast out by micheal in revelations.
The fallen angels who went into the daughters of men, according to Enoch, taught divination, magic, how to make weapons of war, the use of roots, astrology and such. They got punished for that.
Revelations makes it abundantly clear that satan is STILL in heaven. He gets bound for 1000 years while Christ reigns on the earth, but gets loosed again for a time after that. THEN he gets sent back to hell for good. And he takes 1/3 of the angels with him.

You say he won't be able to decieve you when he gets cast out of heaven and comes to the earth soon. He managed to decieve 1/3 of the angels, but you must be a lot smarter than them. I bet he matches the image on the shroud of turin, and he will have angelic power. AND HE HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH GOD AND HEAVEN. HE'LL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THAT THE WORLD IS LOOKING FOR.

jESUS SAID "MY KINGDOM ISN'T OF THIS WORLD, IF IT WAS, I WOULD TELL YOU". SATAN IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. SAYS SO IN THE SCRIPTURES.

[Wiener]

All the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of Azazyel.  To him there fore ascribe the whole crime. 

then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of the righteousness, go tell the watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.  And have done as the sons of men d, by taking the themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth/  that on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remissio of sin.  For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.
then Enoch, passing on, said to Azazyel: Thou shalt not obtain peace.  A great sentence is gone forth against thee.  He shall bind thee.  Neither shall releif, mercy, and supplication be thine, on account fo the oppression which thou hast taught; and on account of every act of blasphemy, tyranny, and sin, which thou hast discovered to the children of men.  Then departing from him I  spoke to them all together: and they all became terrified, and trembled.


That is all from the book of Enoch and since you believe that Samyaza is Satan then why did Arazyal get the blame of the crime against God and man?
It also says in the book of Enoch that they got to watch their offspring kill each other, so which is it did the giants kill each other or was it the flood?

"SATAN IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. SAYS SO IN THE SCRIPTURES."  Which is why you are not to be of this world but only in it.  Make up your mind son .

[Jehovahsman]

Azazel is "Abaddon- Appolyon- the destroyer."  He is like satans superdevil. In revelations, Abaddon gets released to go one on one with Jesus. Its satans last gasp attempt to defeat Christ.
Those demons are the "strong AND VIOLENT" angels. Michael dukes it out with the demon prince of persia for 21 days while he is trying to get to daniel to give him a meaasge.
The great archangel michael- whose name means "who is like God" , fights the prince of persia for 21 days to a draw, then Gabriel has to go fight the prince of persia so michael can get away to go to Daniel. It's the strong, proud, and violent angels that are the demons. In Daniel, there is a battle between a proud ram and a goat on a mountaintop that do battle in the sight of all the world. THAT VERY WELL MAY BE THE BATTLE BETWEEN JESUS AND AZAZEL [ABADDON/APPOLYON] IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. IN THAT BATTLE IN DANIEL, THE GOAT BEATS THE RAM AND GROWS HIS KINGDOM TO HEAVEN.
Interesting that in revelations, it is a angel that comes from heaven with a key to the bottomless pit that lets azazel out of his prison to fight Jesus one on one. it's Gods will that Jesus fight the fight the same way David fought Goliath. Satan is a coward who uses the strongest demon to fight his battle. Right now, Azazel is trapped and satan is still free.
Satan was made perfect in wisdom and beauty. He ain't all that strong. He was Gods top enforcer before he fell. His name means "the accuser", he stands before God even now, accussing the believers day and night, the scriptures say. He's like an attorney general. or a DA. Satan was "given" his authority, Azazel is just "the destroyer"- he's a thug.

[Jehovahsman]

All the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of Azazyel.  To him there fore ascribe the whole crime. 

then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of the righteousness, go tell the watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.  And have done as the sons of men d, by taking the themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth/  that on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remissio of sin.  For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.
then Enoch, passing on, said to Azazyel: Thou shalt not obtain peace.  A great sentence is gone forth against thee.  He shall bind thee.  Neither shall releif, mercy, and supplication be thine, on account fo the oppression which thou hast taught; and on account of every act of blasphemy, tyranny, and sin, which thou hast discovered to the children of men.  Then departing from him I  spoke to them all together: and they all became terrified, and trembled.


That is all from the book of Enoch and since you believe that Samyaza is Satan then why did Arazyal get the blame of the crime against God and man?
It also says in the book of Enoch that they got to watch their offspring kill each other, so which is it did the giants kill each other or was it the flood?

"SATAN IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. SAYS SO IN THE SCRIPTURES."  Which is why you are not to be of this world but only in it.  Make up your mind son .

Well, when Jesus whips azazels ass, Jesus will be the God of this world. I pplan to be here for the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth. My eyes will see Jesus beat the baddest devil there is.

[Wiener]

Well, when Jesus whips azazels ass, Jesus will be the God of this world. I pplan to be here for the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth. My eyes will see Jesus beat the baddest devil there is.

Well then that makes it so you won't be in the rapture huh?  I guess that means you haven't been born again then, because you know Jesus said you have to be born again to get to Heaven.

So how is that poor in spirit working for you?