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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 04:25:11 PM »

Sexually abused children usually do not tell their parents about the abuse. Instead they blame themselves and keep it a secret.

To suggest that the parents were "blowing the whistle" on this is probably not correct.

BUT, if they were knowledgeable why in the world would they not have shouted until heard.

If my child came to me and told me someone did those kinds of things to them there isn't a hell hole deep enough for them to hide in that would stop me and if I got jail so be it but the world would be rid of one less disgusting maggot.
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2011, 05:31:57 PM »

My intended point was that I do not believe the parents knew until it caught fire recently.
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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2011, 07:04:22 PM »

....never thought i'd miss the NBA this much.....
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« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2011, 05:17:03 AM »

Now that would be something if they solved the Gricar case in the process of nailing Sandusky to the wall penis first.

A sleepless night can get one thinking....

Have any of the victims been shown pictures of Ray Gricar in the course of the investigation into Jerry Sandusky?

Back on the old Tribune Democrat forum guesswhoiwas may have theorized that Gricar may have disappeared after being picked by a friend for a sexual rendezvous.  An obvious friend for this type of rendezvous would be a Jerry Sandusky type.  Or more likely since Gricar was a little old for Sandusky and perhaps vice versa a young boy being helped by the Second Mile was brought to the rendezvous.  And perhaps for the service of this boy Gricar agreed to bring his laptop along as a form of payment. 

The laptop ended up in a creek and Gricar ended up in a shallow grave in the Allegheny National Forest and Sandusky returned to his on campus office at Penn State University.

If any of this is true then perhaps we know the real reason why no one at Penn State turned him in.  They were fearing for their lives.  They knew Sandusky and Gricar were in cahoots.  The fears were confirmed when Gricar went missing.  Sandusky told then see what can happen if you are planning to talk.

No, this was not a post by Jehovahsman entangled in RobinQuillonsHair.  Nor is it an attempt to excuse what Mike McQueary, Joe Paterno, et al didn't do.  I am just struggling to figure out how grown men can be attracted to young boys as was the case here.  Please don't tell me it was about power, that these men somehow want to show these boys who's boss.  It's all about sex, perverted homosexual anal sex with little boys.  It couldn't be more disgusting, vile and unhuman.
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« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2011, 07:41:49 AM »

A sleepless night can get one thinking....

Have any of the victims been shown pictures of Ray Gricar in the course of the investigation into Jerry Sandusky?

Back on the old Tribune Democrat forum guesswhoiwas may have theorized that Gricar may have disappeared after being picked by a friend for a sexual rendezvous.  An obvious friend for this type of rendezvous would be a Jerry Sandusky type.  Or more likely since Gricar was a little old for Sandusky and perhaps vice versa a young boy being helped by the Second Mile was brought to the rendezvous.  And perhaps for the service of this boy Gricar agreed to bring his laptop along as a form of payment. 

The laptop ended up in a creek and Gricar ended up in a shallow grave in the Allegheny National Forest and Sandusky returned to his on campus office at Penn State University.

If any of this is true then perhaps we know the real reason why no one at Penn State turned him in.  They were fearing for their lives.  They knew Sandusky and Gricar were in cahoots.  The fears were confirmed when Gricar went missing.  Sandusky told then see what can happen if you are planning to talk.

No, this was not a post by Jehovahsman entangled in RobinQuillonsHair.  Nor is it an attempt to excuse what Mike McQueary, Joe Paterno, et al didn't do.  I am just struggling to figure out how grown men can be attracted to young boys as was the case here.  Please don't tell me it was about power, that these men somehow want to show these boys who's boss.  It's all about sex, perverted homosexual anal sex with little boys.  It couldn't be more disgusting, vile and inhuman.

Maybe it did all go down like that time will tell I guess.  I think all sex with a child is perverted and disgusting, it doesn't have to homosexual  to be that.   I would have to say that it had something to do with the children not being fully developed into an adult at least that is what all the crime shows say about it, they find adults repulsive and children attractive, and I do believe it has something to do with power but not the kind you referred too.
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« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2011, 08:05:09 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Well at least we won't have to look at the ***** boy who couldn't stop the offensive act from continuing to happen.
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« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2011, 09:28:55 AM »

Wat iz up wit all deez ole white men rapin littel boyz yo?
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« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2011, 10:05:06 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Well at least we won't have to look at the ***** boy who couldn't stop the offensive act from continuing to happen.

One possible defense I was thinking for McQueary other than the obvious he was scared and ran (and I know this may seem trite but...) is that he just didn't want to have to touch a naked 60 year old man.  That is weak given the dispicable act taking place but you know... 
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« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2011, 10:14:25 AM »

IMO the only excuses for not intervening when one encounters this kind of behavior in progress are approval of the behavior or cowardliness.
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« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2011, 10:23:24 AM »

reality, nobody is prepared for that kind of encounter, people will respond differently, cowardliness is probably a good way to describe his response.

conspiracy theory, MM was a previous victim of sandusky

that being said, not sure this story needs to be sensationalized anymore with these theories it is more likely  simply a terrible abuse and a cover up.  The model for this has been played out lots of times before.



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« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2011, 10:26:14 AM »

http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201111/another-era-and-another-sport-sex-abuse-scandal-still-inflicting-pain-today
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« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2011, 10:37:39 AM »

conspiracy theory, MM was a previous victim of sandusky


That's the first time I heard that one.  I wonder if there isn't a victim or two on the current roster at St. Penn
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« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2011, 03:07:35 PM »

That's the first time I heard that one.  I wonder if there isn't a victim or two on the current roster at St. Penn

I would hope that if there are they step forward, it wasn't their fault a sick depraved grown man abused them in manners that should not even cross peoples minds.
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« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2011, 02:15:38 PM »

................The judge who granted bail to former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky has in the past been a volunteer for his Second Mile organization........and sandusky lives next to an elementary school.........and remains free..........
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2011, 07:35:46 AM »

Ahh it was just a big mistake.  Alot of fifty some year old guys like to turn all the locker room showers on and slide across the floor Roll Eyes

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