Obama Disappoints Me ( Afghanistan)

[Aimeey7]

He's waffling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/19/AR2009091901422.html

I thought he was upposed to be a strong leader.

If its a necessary -- no, critical ( as he has said) war, then GIVE THE COMMANDER the troops he says he needs NOW!!!!

If not, formulate a contain, withdrawal, whatever strategy to fit whatever goal he sets.

Instead, not only is he not sending the resources the field commander has requested, he's got his underlings scared to death to even formally submit the request!

No way to fight a war, either you fight it or you don't.  There are no middle ground tactics that will work.

[redcap]

  He is afraid of whatfreedom.

[Wiener]

He is afraid of pissing off the fair left of the party prior to getting this healthcare through.  If he pushes for more troops before the congress passes health care reform, he my not get either.

Obama is weak Aimeey, he has been in a consant bowing position since taking office.  I think the crazy councilors he has placed around himself might not be so helpful in a dire situation.

[Wifey]

Obama is more worried about getting himself elected again.  Notice how the there is no outrage about the president not listening to the commanders like there was with Bush.  The things that worries me the most is that new policy about not firing when they are amongst civilians.  They just had 4 Marines die because under the new rules of engagement they couldn't fire mortars to help them.  The man has no business being the commander in the chief. He doesn't care what happens to the military unless it costs him votes

[Wiener]

Wifey, at that march there were tons of Veteran's.  Ticked to be on the Domestic Terrorist list, that one was under Bush and Obama has not corrected it.  It is just one of the many reason people are gathering, the one at the root is the last two admins total disreguard for our founding Documents. 

[Citizen X]

He's waffling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/19/AR2009091901422.html

I thought he was supposed to be a strong leader.

Puhlease. Obama's another wimpy Commander-and-Douche just like Jimmy Carter was.

[Aimeey7]

Seems its in the fire now!
They were all wigglin' and waffalating' about not having the General make his request for more troops, then-- wham!
The Washington Post publishes a leaked copy of the General's report, forcing thier hand.

[Aimeey7]

This is going to shape up to a big brohua, imo.
Its also sort of like Obama on healthcare-- and other issues, he made some lofty promises, now that he's finding out what it takes to actually do them.................... ....

[whatfreedom]

Obama is right to wait on Afgan election results AND why after other countries added troops to maintain security for elections they still had this:

except with full link below

 "The elephant in the room is this: the foreign forces failed in their promise to provide security.

    This was both a military and a diplomatic failure of major significance, both for whether US plans will lead to security for Afghanistan and for the question of who will be part of those plans. Securing the Afghan election was a top priority for governments with forces in Afghanistan.

    European countries like Britain and Italy that were asked by the US earlier this year to send more troops to Afghanistan replied that they were willing to send more troops temporarily to help secure the election.

    More troops were sent, but they did not secure the election. That was the military failure.

    The political and diplomatic failure was that diplomatic efforts to get Taliban commanders to stand down for the elections also did not succeed."

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    and another excerpt:

"Why did those entreaties fail? Presumably, because the forces within the world of Pakistani intelligence and the Taliban leadership who wanted them to fail were stronger than the forces who wanted them to succeed. Perhaps these efforts failed because the US did not sufficiently support them; perhaps the Pentagon thought it could secure the elections by force alone. If so, it was a major error to think so.

    Failure to secure the Afghan elections suggests an obvious conclusion: at the level of troops that the US and its allies are capable of sending, efforts to establish security in Afghanistan will fail unless a significantly greater constituency within Pakistan and within the Taliban leadership is brought on board; perhaps that's a message the Taliban was sending the US with its disruption of the election. And bringing those constituencies on board will require a broader political dialogue than the US has been willing to contemplate so far.

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Not only is Italy ready to exit after the recent killing of troops but so is the UK. Has ANYONE givenus rationale to stay in Afghanistan after NO ONE EVER has been able to tame this land??? and the sorta willing coalition is vaporizing AND the USofA is B-R-O-K-E just as happened to the USSR

Al Quaida has moved to Yemen, Somolia, Indonesia as well as Pakistan so why is this THE CRITICAL juncture for stopping terror? It seems ALL Arabs would be quelled in anti-western thinking if Palestinians were treated with respect and be allowed to live normal lives. Even dear dead Saddam gave rent protection to Palestinians living in his land which disappeared after the US Occupation. The US and nearly all allies have constantly sided with Israel rather than finding common ground and equitable solutions to a Palestinian homeland.

the link promised

http://www.truthout.org/092209R?n

[whatfreedom]

additionally as we 'train' our Afghan ally army let us NOT forget it was those same trainees(freedom fighters is what Ronnie coined 'em) who turned against the US on 9/11 and guess what? they are continuing this tradition TODAY

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/09/23/afghanistan/index.html?source=newsletter

[WDVE]

Hey freedom "we" don't train em...Unless YOU are in the military, careful how YOU word your fluff. K

[whatfreedom]

Hey freedom "we" don't train em...Unless YOU are in the military, careful how YOU word your fluff. K

'WE' defined as the collective peoples in these UNITED? states of America pay our taxes so the government can carry out certain wishes. Whether I serve now, previously or not at all doesn't matter because WE pay to have it accomplished with either military troops, CIA, FBI or hired guns like Blackwater(now renamed to protect the guilty) & others. The problem is that ME and many others see the FUTILITY in this endeavor

[redcap]

'WE' defined as the collective peoples in these UNITED? states of America pay our taxes so the government can carry out certain wishes. Whether I serve now, previously or not at all doesn't matter because WE pay to have it accomplished with either military troops, CIA, FBI or hired guns like Blackwater(now renamed to protect the guilty) & others. The problem is that ME and many others see the FUTILITY in this endeavor

My view is that you would not be able to share such an opinion if we hadn't. BTW is welfare actualy taxed now?

[whatfreedom]

have you not read any history books?

How was Hilter able to take over Germany? It was an extremely large military under his control
How did Ceaser do it? same way
 How has anyone done it in an impoverished Afghan country in history? Are you ready for yet another long war(and the volunteer military) of 5yrs and 500,000 troops??? and how do we pay for that keeping it 'budget nuetral' like we must do to keep healthcare change dissenters happy?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/24-10

[WDVE]

Government is historically one of the most inefficient and ineffective stewards of wealth. Waste and excess abound, in part because of corruption, but mostly because there is a lack of incentive to be very efficient or effective. Heavy entitlements only worsen the problem by encouraging unproductive behavior.

Compounding the alarm and frustration of many fair-minded Americans today is the current administration's push to cut back our most efficient and effective area of our government -- the military. There are many forces in this world that wish to harm Americans, and our brave military protects us from danger on a daily basis.

As far as cutting excess spending goes, I would think there are many other areas that could be put on the table before the military. The military deserves our utmost honor and respect, and it also needs to maintain adequate resources to continue protecting us.