8 of our guys killed in Afghanistan , the 1st thing I want to know is

[Aimeey7]

Did the new squeamish rules of engagement and use of air power play into it?
Ok, I haven't yet read a thorough account of it, but I did hear that they took fore from a Mosque and a Police Station. I sure hope both were obliterrated.

[whatfreedom]

one thing is certain - it is not because the US doesn't spend plenty of money per troop deployed in Afghanistan as only Canada spends more. The Brits/Germans get off on the cheap

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/05/afghanistan-spending-per-head-uk-us-canada-defence

Now, these troops were supposed to be moving to civilian population areas soon. Might their anticipation and preparation to make the move have added to the casualties is a good question but it seems no matter the circumstances the locals get insider info and make the most of it regardless

[Wiener]

one thing is certain - it is not because the US doesn't spend plenty of money per troop deployed in Afghanistan as only Canada spends more. The Brits/Germans get off on the cheap

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/05/afghanistan-spending-per-head-uk-us-canada-defence

Now, these troops were supposed to be moving to civilian population areas soon. Might their anticipation and preparation to make the move have added to the casualties is a good question but it seems no matter the circumstances the locals get insider info and make the most of it regardless

You are an idiot, I think Glenn Beck wrote that book just for you.

[whatfreedom]

You are an idiot, I think Glenn Beck wrote that book just for you.

why thank you

Have you read the playbook on conducting warfare? isn't the common saying "all's fair?" but in reality it does have rules instituted by The Geneva Convention

now these Terrorists(if that is what they were) do not subscribe to playing by the rules nor sometimes does the USA but imagine if you will a foreign army entered your country and you wanted them to leave and you might get a sense for how & why they take advantage of situations as they can

[Wiener]

why thank you

Have you read the playbook on conducting warfare? isn't the common saying "all's fair?" but in reality it does have rules instituted by The Geneva Convention

now these Terrorists(if that is what they were) do not subscribe to playing by the rules nor sometimes does the USA but imagine if you will a foreign army entered your country and you wanted them to leave and you might get a sense for how & why they take advantage of situations as they can

When you find a nation that has helped as many as we have then you can start bitching til then shut your flapping trap, your causing global warming with all your hot air.

[Aimeey7]

why thank you

Have you read the playbook on conducting warfare? isn't the common saying "all's fair?" but in reality it does have rules instituted by The Geneva Convention

now these Terrorists(if that is what they were) do not subscribe to playing by the rules nor sometimes does the USA but imagine if you will a foreign army entered your country and you wanted them to leave and you might get a sense for how & why they take advantage of situations as they can

Well, once that sorta happended, you know that little thing called the American Revolutonary War- as far as I know, our guys didn't hide under the skirts of women.

Further, it is the Taliban attacking us, and most Afghans don't want the Taliban in charge.

[whatfreedom]

Well, once that sorta happended, you know that little thing called the American Revolutonary War- as far as I know, our guys didn't hide under the skirts of women.

Further, it is the Taliban attacking us, and most Afghans don't want the Taliban in charge.

as for the US war with the Brits we actually did use unconventional warfare tactics that we learned from the Natives here who also fought the Colonists for taking over their lands but if you think most Afghans are opposed to the Talliban then we should probably allow the majority to do the same as others have done and battle them on their own accord so that THEY can take pride in what THEY accomplished. They see us as an intruder who helped them when they were fighting the USSR and then abandoned them when the Ruskies retreated and now are back again to fight many of the ones we trained but yet they :

1 - have unpassable roads
2- little to no electricity
3- minimal phone capability

so as we spend BILLION upon BILLION to kill terrorists doncha think they would be better off if we hepled them construct these things so businesses could move in and provide jobs or shall we just continue blowing things to bits?

[Wiener]

as for the US war with the Brits we actually did use unconventional warfare tactics that we learned from the Natives here who also fought the Colonists for taking over their lands but if you think most Afghans are opposed to the Talliban then we should probably allow the majority to do the same as others have done and battle them on their own accord so that THEY can take pride in what THEY accomplished. They see us as an intruder who helped them when they were fighting the USSR and then abandoned them when the Ruskies retreated and now are back again to fight many of the ones we trained but yet they :

1 - have unpassable roads
2- little to no electricity
3- minimal phone capability

so as we spend BILLION upon BILLION to kill terrorists doncha think they would be better off if we hepled them construct these things so businesses could move in and provide jobs or shall we just continue blowing things to bits?

I thought we had a frenchmen train our Revolutionary war troops, but you are saying it was the native Indians. yeah ok right.

[whatfreedom]

weiner you really need to read up on some history books

both the French & British primarily used lines of troops who would exchange volleys of lead from their muzzleloaders unti most were dead and a group would surrender

it was the Natives(the savages) who only knew fighting by storming opponents using arrows, tomahawks and other means in raids on opponents. Had the Natives had mass guns which were more effective killing weapons then the US history books would have a far different outcome because the colonists might have returned to Europe

[WDVE]

Just curious...where did you copy and paste your info from?

I would like to read up on French and British tactics with particular attention to the "volleys of lead from their muzzleloaders".

Also I would like to read up on "the savages" using arrows instead of guns...I'm beginning to see the relevance to all this.

If you could supply the link to your copy and paste I would be ever grateful.

[Wiener]

weiner you really need to read up on some history books

both the French & British primarily used lines of troops who would exchange volleys of lead from their muzzleloaders unti most were dead and a group would surrender

it was the Natives(the savages) who only knew fighting by storming opponents using arrows, tomahawks and other means in raids on opponents. Had the Natives had mass guns which were more effective killing weapons then the US history books would have a far different outcome because the colonists might have returned to Europe

Oh I am very sure that a frenchmen came and gave Washington and the troops drill instruction and helped them become a militia.  Yes they may have adapted some things from the natives, but they were very much formally trained in drill and precision.

[Wiener]

weiner you really need to read up on some history books

both the French & British primarily used lines of troops who would exchange volleys of lead from their muzzleloaders unti most were dead and a group would surrender

it was the Natives(the savages) who only knew fighting by storming opponents using arrows, tomahawks and other means in raids on opponents. Had the Natives had mass guns which were more effective killing weapons then the US history books would have a far different outcome because the colonists might have returned to Europe

Hey your progressive hateful tendencies are showing again.  The Natives didn't have guns because they didn't know anything about how to begin to make them.   So we can say they were ignorant in the was of gunpowder.  Dream on, history is what it is.  I love how we are the only evil ones on the planet because we ran the natives off.  NO ONE wants to look at what the Mother land did to run off their natives to a new land.  NO we won't go there.  Fraking idiot.

[oldster]

During the American Revolution officers from several Europeon nations came to America and provided support and aid to the Continental Army.

The Marquis de Lafayette was a young French nobleman who was befriended by General Washington and was significant mostly because France was Britain's mortal enemy and therefore a natural ally for the new nation.  He had little military training or experience, but his support was very important.

Thaddeus Kosciusko was a Polish soldier who specialized in organizing and training units. He also brought engineering skills.  Casimir Pulaski was another Polish officer who aided in the training of the American troops.

Probably the most important European officer to provide training the the Continental Army was Baron von Steuben, a Prussian who joined Washington during the difficult winter at Valley Forge and who is generally credited with turning it into a professional European-style army that was capable of meeting and defeating the British in that style of warfare.

The Americans also used the guerrilla style of warfare that they learned from the Indians.  This was found more in the extensive and widespread fighting in the south that Washington never took part in and is often minimized in the history books.

[Wiener]

Good post Oldster.

[redcap]

Now, be careful boys and girls. Remember, whatfreedom watched the movie.