Dictating Values of Responsibility

[beeker]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html

This is where it gets wierd. 

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

How can we dictate responsbility to pay for insurance and still allow that insurance to pay for the irresponsiblility, in many but not all cases, of aborting an unwanted pregancy?  I'm not pro or anti abortion, but I do understand the argument from that perspective.  It's two opposing messages being sent from the same source.

[lexiconic]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-with-the-president-jail-time-for-those-without-health-care-insurance.html

This is where it gets wierd.  

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

How can we dictate responsbility to pay for insurance and still allow that insurance to pay for the irresponsiblility, in many but not all cases, of aborting an unwanted pregancy?  I'm not pro or anti abortion, but I do understand the argument from that perspective.  It's two opposing messages being sent from the same source.

I don't think it makes for a good analogy. I don't really see those two things as similar in circumstance. You can't compare a complex biologically driven urge that results in a decision that may have been given several minutes of emotionally and biochemically charged contemplation with the decision of not buying health insurance.

It would be like comparing the decision to take wedding vows with the decision of which cookware to buy.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

We don't want to pay for the abortion of an unwanted pregnancy.

But we also don't want to pay for health insurance for the child once he is born.  We also don't want his mother to get welfare or food stamps.  Eventually, we'll complain about the property taxes that we will be asked to pay that will help fund his education.

How ironic.

[beeker]

We don't want to pay for the abortion of an unwanted pregnancy.

But we also don't want to pay for health insurance for the child once he is born.  We also don't want his mother to get welfare or food stamps.  Eventually, we'll complain about the property taxes that we will be asked to pay that will help fund his education.

How ironic.

That was my point, it's not about the philosophical opinions on abortion but rather our feelings on personal responsibility.  So if we fine, and maybe jail, people for not being responsible enough to buy insurance will we also fine/jail those who irresponsibly get pregnant or those who are obese, how about smokers.  

[Wiener]

We don't want to pay for the abortion of an unwanted pregnancy.  Obama's exact quote is " I don't want my daughters to be punished with a baby."  This is why he is for abortion, a baby is punishment for having sex when you are young???  oh yeah we got a real smart one in office don't we?

But we also don't want to pay for health insurance for the child once he is born.  We also don't want his mother to get welfare or food stamps.  Eventually, we'll complain about the property taxes that we will be asked to pay that will help fund his education.

How ironic.

  Easy answer shut down all those federal programs, it would not be hard.  It would just make citizens more responsible for themselves instead of the government being responsible for them.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

  Easy answer shut down all those federal programs, it would not be hard. 

Including the public school system? 

If all those federal programs were shut down though how would many high wage earners make a living?

We would also have to build more prisons.

[Wiener]

Including the public school system? 

If all those federal programs were shut down though how would many high wage earners make a living?

We would also have to build more prisons.

Yes the federal part of the public school system, show me in the Constitution where it allows the Federal Government to take over any part of our education system then maybe we can have a discussion.  It doesn't so they don't have any right to be spending our money on something they have no jurisdiction over.  It is to be run by the states for the states, the fed needs to butt out.

[redcap]

If the money provided by he feds was not thre because they did not have a tax for it, then the states could impose that same amount in taxes and provide the eduation.

It is indeed a myth that if the federal government does not pay for it it will not happen.

[Wiener]

This is one of the many lies we have been fed through the years along with you can't do it alone, bullshite.  You, yes just you alone can change the world, as Madeline O'Hara, oh that right someone killed that nasty Bitch and her whole family for thier money.